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sourchocolate
14-10-08, 00:36
hello,
We're going to integrate ShopWindow functionality into our website. We have our own css/html templates however need to outsource PHP integration. Basically, what we need to achieve is a similar functionality to shopwindow.com (i.e. search, categories, list of merchants, refine, product list, list of stores for each product etc. - exact scope to be confirmed).
all this should work with search engine friendly urls with the following type of domains:
www. domain. co.uk/shop/
subdomain.domain .co.uk/shop/
Ok, basically we expect a shopwindow.com-like site, without flashy html/css, just something that will present functionality of php scripts/classes based on api provided by AF.Questions, details and offers (price, timescale and sample of shopwindow you have developed) - please PM me and I'll get back to you via e-mail.
Regards.
S.
I suggest you read this:
http://www.shopwindowforum.com/showthread.php?t=539
Or lets, make it easy, seeing as you clearly haven't bothered to read or understand anything here...
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This isn't a services for sale forum. People like you really p**s me off, thinking that a few quid can buy you anything you want. We've all worked damn hard on our websites and I know I for one despise this whole, "I don't need to know anything, i'll just buy it" attitude, yes the one currently being displayed right here. Go back to the rock you crawled from under and stay there.
If a moderator finds my response out of order, feel free to remove my post.
Confuscius
14-10-08, 14:02
I am ready to go!
£100,000 payment in advance. Planned timescale to completion 12 years. Free piece of string for you to measure yourself provided upon agreement of initial specification.
sourchocolate
14-10-08, 14:02
I suggest you read this:
http://www.shopwindowforum.com/showthread.php?t=539
Or lets, make it easy, seeing as you clearly haven't bothered to read or understand anything here...
This isn't a services for sale forum. People like you really p**s me off, thinking that a few quid can buy you anything you want. We've all worked damn hard on our websites and I know I for one despise this whole, "I don't need to know anything, i'll just buy it" attitude, yes the one currently being displayed right here. Go back to the rock you crawled from under and stay there.
If a moderator finds my response out of order, feel free to remove my post.
hi,
thanks for your reply.
I apologize for breakong the rules of this forum - admin, please delete this post since it's againts the rules here.
Re your point:
"People like you really p**s me off, thinking that a few quid can buy you anything you want. We've all worked damn hard on our websites and I know I for one despise this whole, "I don't need to know anything, i'll just buy it" attitude, yes the one currently being displayed right here."
I do not have to break already opened door. I appreciate the fact you have worked hard to get it done but I value my time and if there is a possible shortcut - I'll take it. There is nothing wrong with it and morally incorrect.
I understand you grow your own potatoes, milk your cow every morning etc. since it would be to easy to go and buy since other work hard in order to produce it.
Again, apologies for posting against rules (I'll familiarize myself with them) but your point and attitude is just simply ridiculous.
Regards,
S.
Hi
My personal view (not necessarily that of 'moderator') is the question/assistance asked for by S is not unreasonable. This forum has plenty of expertise in the field of Shopwindow implementation and where else better to ask than here. Some members may well be able to help and be very grateful of the opportunity.
Not everyone is focused on coding etc and whilst someone may have an excellent business plan they may need help to create their site. Surerly we don't expect everyone to be experts at everything? (although understanding the coding will probably really help later)
As far as I can see S's post has been made with due respect for the forum and as it is not Offering any services, merely requesting them, then I personally don't have a problem with this.
Put it this way - If I had a Ferrari and it required some work I'm not sure I'd want Joe Bloggs messing around with it - I'd take it to the experts... in this case where else is better than the Shopwindow forum?
Just my 2ps worth....
Good luck with the Site S
Just my 2ps worth....
Well put view... But... I disagree with it. We may openly help each other with coding errors and little bits of code snippets and the likes, but as i've said before, we are each and every one of us actually competing against each other for sales.
It's not just about cash, lots of merchants offer major incentives and prizes for highest sellers or referrals or what not, many merchants require a certain threshold of visitors to remina in their programs, etc, etc, but it's not even just about that...
The search engines are already clagged up to buggery with billions of peoples sites, most of which are someone elses work just copied or stolen or bought, it's getting harder and harder to find well put together original pages, without it becoming more and more commercially driven by people who have enough money to not have to bother learning what they are claiming as their work.
So... It is all about the coding and those with the ability to do it when it comes to this sort of thing, because without people with the ability to make ready made plug and play scripts like AWs clientscript, only those with the ability to manipulate APIs from scratch would ever be able to put things together that are practical and usable.
If i had a nice Ferrari, I wouldn't be here discussing it.
Confuscius
14-10-08, 19:30
I am still tinkering with my clapped out Morris Minor albeit it seems to do about 30,000 miles to the gallon! It is confined to the M25 as the steering is jammed in position but it sees plenty of traffic unlike some of the Ferraris that have accidentally stumbled across that seem to spend their life confined to a lock up garage on the Isle of Wight.
I need to pay for a respray as my painting skills are non existent but to get the respray done then I would have to let someone look under the bonnet which is not possible as I have welded the bonnet to the body.
...methinks I should have not mentioned the ferrari! :o
A new member visited our forum - and posted a message that related to the subject of the forum. He then got hung drawn and quartered as his post may or may not have (I think this is debatable) broken a rule of the forum.
So as a member of this forum I apologise to the original poster for the way he has been 'welcomed' to our community.
PS - I'm busy on other projects at the moment otherwise I would have offered my services (on a time and materials basis - to avoid the' how long is a piece of string' problem) - Not being of independant means I have to prostitute my time for the odd penny or two!)
So as a member of this forum I apologise to the original poster for the way he has been 'welcomed' to our community.
Not being of independant means I have to prostitute my time for the odd penny or two!)
Your right and I've probably been particularly harsh and unkind, but we are all in the business of making money from Shop Windows and so to a degree every single one of us who has ambitions of making money from the program is a little bit selfish, but we've all had to work hard to make our own versions, why should someone else then take away those sales, just because they've got money to burn, without them having done anything themselves to deserve it, it really is just the typical "those who have money make more, those who don't struggle to get any" and I don't like that, it's a bloody big pie and I simply want the share of it that i've worked hard for without being gazumped.
I don't like or want thousands of people installing the Shop Window scripts in it's generic form and forgetting about it, as is the case with most looking at the "my shops" threads. Yet at the same time, if people don't have the personal skill levels to customise their shop windows so that they can compete with my own production on a level playing surface, I don't like the idea of them then coming and lining the pocket of the best coding/shopwindows skilled individuals and then directly competing with me for sales by putting in absolutely zero effort, it defeats the purpose of putting gawd knows how long of effort into making my own version as good as possible and defeats the purpose of Affiliate Windows providing us with a ready made client script version in the first place. If it's the case of the highest bidder gets a cool shop, then Affiliate Windows should then start selling the client script rather than giving it away.
I don't have an independent income either, this is my living and it's tough enough as it is scrapping together the pennies, which is why I am so damn loathed to see someone come passing on through here, essentially trying to pay someone else to make them something which would well take away some of our hard earned affiliate sales. Anyway while I may have been particularly harsh to a new member, I apologise for that particular individual rashness, I do not however apologise for my sentiment towards them essentially trying to buy sales. I'm sure I could think of a whole multitude of other reasons why I consider it wrong, but I am too busy at the mo trying my damnest to make my site better to maintain my currently fluctuating level of sales.
sourchocolate
16-10-08, 14:03
Hello,
thanks for all your replies. I was not going to add anything to this thread but want to give some comments in regards to amoochi's last post.
Your right and I've probably been particularly harsh and unkind, but we are all in the business of making money from Shop Windows and so to a degree every single one of us who has ambitions of making money from the program is a little bit selfish
It's not selfish, it's natural - everybody (who participates) wants to make money from this or any other programmes.
, but we've all had to work hard to make our own versions, why should someone else then take away those sales,
I think you shouldn't be worried about others taking away sales from you. You should concentrate your efforts on creating a website which will have something unique (USP) and different and would attract CUSTOMERS and make their shopping experience good enough that they won't want to go anywhere else. If someones else created a website that "have stolen" your sales that's YOUR fault since you were not able to keep up and you are out.
just because they've got money to burn, without them having done anything themselves to deserve it,
It is an insult and I'm expecting apologies here. You do not know me, you have not got a bloody clue whether I "have done something" or not and you simply cannot judge whether I deserve it or not. Simple as that.
it really is just the typical "those who have money make more, those who don't struggle to get any" and I don't like that,
Sorry, but you don't have to like my way of running a business. Have you ever heard about "outsourcing"? I do not have to be a coder to run an online business, dont I? I have an idea, business plan, goal and strategy to follow. Believe me, it costs less to outsorce in some cases rather than doing things in-house. You will maybe get there at some point.
Let me put it this way: I'm trying to buy a tool here, not business ideas.
it's a bloody big pie and I simply want the share of it that i've worked hard for without being gazumped.
Let's share then ;)
I don't like or want thousands of people installing the Shop Window scripts in it's generic form and forgetting about it, as is the case with most looking at the "my shops" threads.
Have you tried to understand what I'm after? I wrote in the first message: "We're going to integrate ShopWindow functionality into our website. We have our own css/html templates however need to outsource PHP integration."
Not sure why I'm bothered to explain it to you but:
- we have a website and want to integrate ShopWindow to ENHANCE it's functionality to increase our users experience (see above) and increase USPs
- do not want to replicate any of those shops or someone else's design, in fact I need only php pieces of code which will be placed in our own templates, pages etc.
- advice: try to understand what you are reading. There is not a single word or indication we want to install the softwere in it's generic form. In fact, if we wanted, it could be downloaded from AF website and I wouldn't bother to come here as it's there, "of the shelf"
Yet at the same time, if people don't have the personal skill levels to customise their shop windows so that they can compete with my own production on a level playing surface,
I don't think it's relevant whether someone has skills or not but believe me - it's not the case.
I don't like the idea of them then coming and lining the pocket of the best coding/shopwindows skilled individuals
Sorry mate ;)
and then directly competing with me for sales by putting in absolutely zero effort,
Another insult.
it defeats the purpose of putting gawd knows how long of effort into making my own version as good as possible and defeats the purpose of Affiliate Windows providing us with a ready made client script version in the first place.
So, if it's there anyway...?
If it's the case of the highest bidder gets a cool shop, then Affiliate Windows should then start selling the client script rather than giving it away.
No, because they would have much less shops around = much less affiliate sales = much less revenue from merchants.
I don't have an independent income either,
Fancy earning some extra money by responding to the advert above...?
this is my living and it's tough enough as it is scrapping together the pennies, which is why I am so damn loathed to see someone come passing on through here, essentially trying to pay someone else to make them something which would well take away some of our hard earned affiliate sales.
What is your point here???
Anyway while I may have been particularly harsh to a new member, I apologise for that particular individual rashness, I do not however apologise for my sentiment towards them essentially trying to buy sales. I'm sure I could think of a whole multitude of other reasons why I consider it wrong, but I am too busy at the mo trying my damnest to make my site better to maintain my currently fluctuating level of sales.
Having a WindowShop DOES NOT necessarily means one will get thousand of sales... Google how many e-commerce initiatives disappears every year...
By the way - if you are too busy to make it better, here is a free advice: reconsider whether outsorcing part of the work wouldn't be more effective (in longer term) that trying to do everything yourself.
You pay for the development -> release it quicker -> increase sales & benefit from it faster -> cost of outsorcing may be returned faster than releasing the future on your own :) Think BIG if you want to be big.
However, finding the right person to do exactly what you want is not an easy task either and is another challenge.
Hmm, looking at the length of this reply - won't be able call it a productive day :D
All the best.
S.
Confuscius
16-10-08, 14:54
My advice to S is, if he has not already done so, to put the specification of requirements together and post the work request on any of the freelance / coder sites out there.
I am sure that he will find lots of people to outsource his work to. His new coder can easily get their hands on all of the Shop Window stuff and any half decent coder should be able to come to terms with SW in a relatively short time to give him whatever his business brain desires.
Bluesplayer
21-10-08, 23:01
This thread is more than a little disturbing!
The little I know about coding I could well have made some money by now from the people asking me to do this and that from private messages I have received. In my own mind I thought it was great that someone was willing to pay for advice or work. 'Nice little earner for someone' I thought. Lets face it it is very hard to make money from an actual site and to make money from coding instead doesn't seem such a bad idea.
I think the first reply was far too heavy handed and was more an 'emotional' reply. Sales down and now this post kind of thing.
By the time you have created a number of shopwindow sites like it or not you have become a bit of an expert. Expertise is saleable so why not cash in? Ok this forum has a few rules and guidelines as to why it was created etc but how many ever read such things? Also these guidelines can be revised and changed as circumstances change. Why not make money from helping others setup shopwindow sites? I think every new forum visitor and new shopwindow user would be willing to pay something or other. Why shouldn't long standing shopwindow coders make some extra money helping others?
Ya know... I did put a note on the end of my original post clearly saying if it was too harsh that a mod could delete it, obviously someone didn't disagree with it enough to deem it deletable. It was afterall just my personal views on the subject, I can't actually say that I expected it to erupt into such a contentious debate, although debate is good and clearly this particular topic has people debating, even if for the wrong reason.
In hindsight, I think I can now safely say that my thoughts on this were obviously too personal a view. I didn't stop to think how others may feel towards the potential of earning some money for themselves from it.
Maybe the rules should be looked at regarding this subject, to give some clarity and to take into account the communities feeling on the subject then...