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Seeing as the announcement is locked and therefore not available to discuss directly, we can use this thread as a method of discussing the official announcement of the release of version 3 of the ShopWindow software as posted:
http://www.shopwindowforum.com/showthread.php?t=1296
Ok, I may as well start and finish with my own instant initial reaction to the announcement...
Based on this:
In subsequent months affiliates are required to generate an average of £65.00 in commission per month based on the most recent three months not including any probation period. Affiliates that don’t reach these requirements will cease to have access to the Community Client Software. This is a necessary requirement to ensure performance is maintained for those affiliates who use the Client as a core part of their affiliate strategy to generate revenue.
Thanks ShopWindow, you've basically and completely cut me off from the program in one simply step. Despite years of effort and morally correct methods of trying to attain higher levels of sales, i've never met that target on the regular monthly basis im being told i'd have to and see nothing at all that is likely to make that change, so I really do not see a great deal of point in me wasting the next 3 months of my life just to prove myself right and then be told, I can't use the program anymore. So unless I take out a bank loan equivalent of a small mortgage, you've basically screwed me over.
Amoochi, we understand your concern, but what would be the alternative?
That ShopWindow lets users run rampant on our servers for no ROI? This would drive ShopWindow into the ground and is simply not cost effective for us as a business.
ShopWindow users who just upload a bog standard template and leave that to get spidered has been a problem since day one and I am sure that this is something that you, and other key members of the community, have raised time and again.
Having a minimum revenue threshold in place, whereby such users who make very little or no return yet eat up considerable server space would be removed from the platform is a beneficial step to our current user base.
It was raised at the steering committee that having thousands upon thousands of default installs in Google was having detrimental effects on other installs owned by users who did put the effort in, such as yourself. This is clearly not fair and action had to be taken to ensure optimum service for those using the platform in a positive manner.
If you would like to discuss this further and how it might affect you then please give Adrian a call (02075530391).
I think instead of setting a minimum monthly sales threshold, you should consider the overall performance of affiliates from day one. Affiliates who have never or have hardly generated any sales right from the beginning should be restricted, whereas those of us putting in efforts to generate sales should be dealt with differently picturing the amount of sales we have generated over time.
Obviously, it is difficult to guarantee sales of a certain threshold each month, competition is fierce and foul play coupled with the upper hands of high budget affiliates affects performaces, search engines are not stable many other factors come in the way of online retail however removing affiliates simply because they failed to meet a certain level of commission generation is an incorrect business ethic.
Hello infocraze,
You are right, it should not be judged in "black and white" manner based upon a months performance because if you have a bad month that could lead to being switched off. That will not happen.
£65.00 in commission per month based on the most recent three months not including any probation period.
We are basing this over time because we are aware that there will be circumstances that cause low sales, just like there are circumstances that cause massive sales (Christmas for example).
:)
If you would like to discuss this further and how it might affect you then please give Adrian a call (02075530391).
What's the point, it's blatently clear looking at what people who can afford to pay £5000 and £500 a month can get, that two fingers have been clearly and bluntly stuck up to those of us without those kind of resources.
I have to say, it is what can only be described as, corporate greed, crapping on the little guy.
It was ShopWindows fault that there was thousands and thousands of spawned default setups in the first place, not ours, yet we are the ones being kicked in the nuts, AGAIN, because of it. It was as a direct result of that screw up, that Google dropped page ranks for SWs pages, not anything that we did... No, it was us that tested, reported, advised, recommended, put up with, etc, etc.
There is absolutely nothing at all beneficial about having earning requirements for normal affiliates, when ShopWindows have given an absolute transparent indication that those with money get better service and those without, get nothing more than the threat of being kicked unless we once more work our fingers to the bone to trying a salvage whatever little scraps there are left over.
Half the point of why sales have collapsed lately, as has already been identified, is down to there being thousands of sites already spawned with the scripts, already completely screwing up the system and any chance of driving sales via Google, how the hell are people supposed to suddenly and is if by some kind of miracle, make these lost sales and sale opportunities reappear.... It's not going to happen and I think ShopWindows know that already.
(seriously downsized and heavily moderated version of what I was going to say)
I totally agree, its a very poor way to treat us hard working affiliates, might as well stop the PPC campagns now then,
Thanks for nothing Affiliate Window. :mad:
65.00 in comission per month.
Is that just from the version 3 shop window only or is that per affiliate
(ie including comission from other affiliate window links and versions 1 and 2 of shopwindow) ?
fore example an affiliate making 65 per month using versions 1 and 2 but version 3 does not pull any sales because it is a new website?
two fingers have been clearly and bluntly stuck up to those of us without those kind of resources.
Amoochi, that is not the case at all. It has been said time and time again to you directly that your input to the ShopWindow platform has been appreciated and taken into consideration yet once again you have chosen to ignore that and get upset.
I have to say, it is what can only be described as, corporate greed, crapping on the little guy.
It is not corporate greed, Amoochi, it is a case of ShopWindow as a department being able to keep its own resources (staff, servers, development time, design time etc. the list goes on) online so that there is still a platform live. You are failing to understand that servers do not come free of charge and nor are they an unlimited resource.
It was ShopWindows fault that there was thousands and thousands of spawned default setups in the first place, not ours, yet we are the ones being kicked in the nuts, AGAIN, because of it. It was as a direct result of that screw up, that Google dropped page ranks for SWs pages, not anything that we did... No, it was us that tested, reported, advised, recommended, put up with, etc, etc.
I am not sure at what point I blamed you, or any other hard working affiliate, for this. Might I also add that it is not "ShopWindow's fault" either as you so bluntly put it. When ShopWindow was first launched this was not to be foreseen. We now have a system in place to counteract this and stop those installs staying live at detrimental costs to you and us.
It is easy to have a pop at the "corporation" but we are always receptive to your feedback on a one-to-one basis and we hold steering committee's so that, as a platform and a community, we can grow :)
However, all I see is negative emotion and no aid in the form of solution.
It's not going to happen and I think ShopWindows know that already.
In that case, would we not just let ShopWindow continue as it is? No, we are trying to optimise the platform for existing users.
You are seeing this step in such a negative light but in reality it has a host of positive effects not to mention the added features that v3 boasts :)
I totally agree, its a very poor way to treat us hard working affiliates, might as well stop the PPC campagns now then,
Thanks for nothing Affiliate Window. :mad:
Again, this is not a case of trying to stop or limit hard working affiliates in any way shape or form.
We are optimising an award winning platform to help you guys, not to hinder you.
Is there a demo site to see what you really get for £17k ? if not why not.
Over 2 years that a hell of alot for something you still have to customise yourself. You can get a freelancer to develop a platform that make use of ALL affiliate network feeds for $1000. A managed dedicated server costing around £130pm.
Going all the way back to V1 you have always sold it as a comparison service, which it never has been. Is the £17k V3 a true (price) comparison service or just product pool,V2 with bells on it? huh . You can also get a price comparison script customised for $1500 which will compare products and price with reviews voucher codes etc, oh and its not limited to AW.
Im somewhat disappointed in AW, long with im sure many other affiliates and i bet some merchants.
If i was to spend all that on a AW system i'd like to see it and test everything before hand.
If anyone has £500pm burning a hole, go join a cashback whitelabel site and spend that on marketing.. In the current climate shoppers love getting something back.
regards
Nole
P.s i joined AW when the hot new marketing thingy was banners,aha.
Loyalty huh
65.00 in comission per month.
Is that just from the version 3 shop window only or is that per affiliate
(ie including comission from other affiliate window links and versions 1 and 2 of shopwindow) ?
fore example an affiliate making 65 per month using versions 1 and 2 but version 3 does not pull any sales because it is a new website?
Hi amcho,
Sorry if this was not made clear in the original press release.
To clarify, the minimum thresholds are to be met on v3 of ShopWindow. v3 runs its own quota and transaction system completely independent of the previous versions.
Cheers
Is there a demo site to see what you really get for £17k ? if not why not.
Over 2 years that a hell of alot for something you still have to customise yourself. You can get a freelancer to develop a platform that make use of ALL affiliate network feeds for $1000. A managed dedicated server costing around £130pm.
Going all the way back to V1 you have always sold it as a comparison service, which it never has been. Is the £17k V3 a true (price) comparison service or just product pool,V2 with bells on it? huh . You can also get a price comparison script customised for $1500 which will compare products and price with reviews voucher codes etc, oh and its not limited to AW.
Im somewhat disappointed in AW, long with im sure many other affiliates and i bet some merchants.
If i was to spend all that on a AW system i'd like to see it and test everything before hand.
If anyone has £500pm burning a hole, go join a cashback whitelabel site and spend that on marketing.. In the current climate shoppers love getting something back.
regards
Nole
P.s i joined AW when the hot new marketing thingy was banners,aha.
Loyalty huh
Hi Nole
The Enterprise solution, which has setup fees and monthly fees associated with it does have additional verticals included, these are mobiles, gifts and entertainment. We also have plans for more. The mobile API in particular adds significant value, visit www.mobiles2compare.com (http://www.mobiles2compare.com) for the demo site. The cost also includes the option of Digital Window designing, developing, hosting and maintaining enterprise partner sites. A £5000 charge and ongoing fees for that are very competitive.
I have no doubt that you would be able to develop a solution for much less but Digital Window has to cover the costs of any service that we make available. We provide ShopWindow services to high traffic portals and these require certain levels of service from us. The charges associated with the Enterprise solution cover the costs of us providing a service to these sort of partners in the future.
ShopWindow client is a white label product comparison service. I am sure you can get a script that offers you price comparison, but that script will be limited to particular areas. It will do those areas well but it will not be an all encompassing product based solution with over 4 million products that ShopWindow is.
Chris
Chris Giddins
Product Director
Digital Window
E: chris@affiliatewindow.com
T: 0207 553 0412
Amoochi, that is not the case at all. It has been said time and time again to you directly that your input to the ShopWindow platform has been appreciated and taken into consideration yet once again you have chosen to ignore that and get upset.
I've never been after appreciation, praise or a great big pat on the back for my efforts, nor have I ever been drawn here by the smell of money, what i've been a part of this for is to simply give my regular visitors a no bullshit, honest approach to shopping, without all the crap such as forced clickthru's, hidden agenda's, cloaked incentives, click gazumping, sale stealing and all the other money making, spam, scam and immoral schemes out there, all i've wanted was to be playing on a level playing field, yet it has never been that. So yes, when I find out that the best part of 3 years worth of effort is now for nothing, unless I suddenly start meeting enforced targets, whilst competing against companies that can afford to waste £17K... Well... What would SWs prefer? That people simply crawl under a rock and dissapear like good little obedient expendable affiliates? I think you know by now, that really isn't my way, bottled anger leads to strokes.
It is not corporate greed, Amoochi, it is a case of ShopWindow as a department being able to keep its own resources (staff, servers, development time, design time etc. the list goes on) online so that there is still a platform live. You are failing to understand that servers do not come free of charge and nor are they an unlimited resource.
I'm not failing to understand the need for a company to balance it's books, what I fail to understand, is why I and other hard working affiliates should be penalised for the lack of foresight on the part of ShopWindows, when it came to costing the project in the first place and failing to immediately take the necessary steps to rectify the situation, rather than wait nearly 3 years, after people like us on this forum had provided endless feedback, input, reports, advise and the likes, for that to then simply be taken and used to provide a £17K model designed specifically for super affiliates, leaving the rest of us in this situation, with those little extra's that have been added in for those with bigger wallets.
I am not sure at what point I blamed you, or any other hard working affiliate, for this. Might I also add that it is not "ShopWindow's fault" either as you so bluntly put it. When ShopWindow was first launched this was not to be foreseen. We now have a system in place to counteract this and stop those installs staying live at detrimental costs to you and us.
It certainly wasn't me or any of the other affiliates who were sat their with our fingers on the validate button, everytime a new mass spam affiliate came along and downloaded the scripts. Again, it is not our fault that ShopWindows had a lack of foresight with the project and it is not fair that it is us that are now being penalised for it.
It is easy to have a pop at the "corporation" but we are always receptive to your feedback on a one-to-one basis and we hold steering committee's so that, as a platform and a community, we can grow :)
However, all I see is negative emotion and no aid in the form of solution.
I have nothing to hide and neither should ShopWindows when it comes to this, therefore I feel something which almost certainly effects multiple people, should therefore be aired in a place where it can be seen by others, after all, not all are going to be so open and vocal as me and may simply leave otherwise.
Yes you are seeing negative emotion, I am rather upset and angry at the prospect of essentially knowing that in 3 months time, when my sales figures don't meet the requirement, I will no longer have access. Why shouldn't I be angry at that, after all, i've been regularly told, that it is people who put in effort who would be ok. The reality is that effort means absolutely nothing at all, when it comes to the cold light of day, seeing as anything other than higher sales level than I think I can personally achieve every month, means ejection from the program.
In that case, would we not just let ShopWindow continue as it is? No, we are trying to optimise the platform for existing users.
What, by turning the system into essentially a two teired network, where money breeds money and everyone else has to fight with every breath to meet targets or be booted??? I really don't know what the thought process has been... I certainly can't see any positives though, having to start from scratch on a new template system, having to meet requirements jsut to get live, then having to continually compete with £17K super affiliates for every sale in order to just stay in the program... I really can't see where my interests have any place in that.
You are seeing this step in such a negative light but in reality it has a host of positive effects not to mention the added features that v3 boasts :)
Lets look at the options here. Stay with version 2, which has essentially been kicked to hell by thousands of spam affiliates and which super affiliates, voucher sites, cashback sites and the likes have drown the system, which pretty much means Google hates the scripts with a passion, so sales have basically fallen into the gutter... Or... Move up to version 3, have to start all over again from scratch, as said above, meet targets, compete with £17Kers, fight for simple inclusion in the program, be at constant risk of being booted if sales dare slip, for what... To essentially have the same stuff as version 1, but working slightly better due to affiliate feedback meaning they've been tweaked, with a few extra little bits and bobs that really aren't going to have a lot of baring on sales, as all the above will still be accepted, except due to their immoral methods means they are always going to have the advantage... What exactly are the positives you speak of and how exactly are they going to impact someone who doesn't stand a chance of even being part of the program due to sale limitations in the first place.
It's as bad as the competitions that merchants offer every month, year after year, where the affiliate with the most sales gets a bonus or prize or whatever... Great, give the massive corporate company that makes 1000x more sales than someone like me a Nintendo DS or extra £50 for getting most... WOOT, they gonna love that, on top of the 50K or whatever it is they made that month... Where the hell is the level playing field? Everything is constantly geared at the exact opposite end of the scale to what most of us normal affiliates could ever achieve, we try hard, we put in probably a damn sight more effort than the big players, yet it is constantly and always us that lose out. Again, it's not asking for praise or appreciation, just a plain and simple level playing field, where it's not just constantly about the £££s, where the fact that a 1 person enterprise can't and never will have any chance ever of competition with a company with 500 or more staff.
Oh and Chris... You've seen http://www.pricetapestry.com/ right? Which is currently priced at £200 or as a 4 monthly payment of £50 I'm really not seeing many drawbacks to it, other than being £16,800 cheaper.
Funnily enough, loyalty to AWs and the merchants I deal with, stopped me going to use that program when I first discovered it. Now it looks like it's going to actually be ShopWindow that is actually forcing me to go and use it. Stupid thing is, if all this had been about just making money, i'd have made a damn sight more with that script, as it covers most of the affiliate networks, which is a damn sight more practical.
We have put the performance criteria in place because we want to ensure that the platform remains a platform for you to develop upon in the future. I agree that we could of been stricter on previous versions by only allowing decent installs of the client to go live. This would have avoided the flood of basic installs popping up. We have sorted that for V3 and on previous version we will be switching of some installs where no effort what so ever has been made.
ShopWindow Client and the API are incredibly powerful and their use should not be limited to just product comparison websites optimised for SEO. It's going to be hard for more than a handful of affiliates to use the client for SEO.
So where is the innovation? I only see a handful of affiliates making use of the API in an innovative way.
Here are a few ideas:
Could affiliates develop installations of the client for high traffic partner sites. Affiliates could compete against the DW sales team for business. If it adds value partners to the platform then we certainly would have no problem with it. It would be exciting to see what value adds an affiliate could bring, I'm sure that there would be quite a few.
Affiliates could develop on social network platforms such as Facebook or Twitter. There are some really innovative apps that tap in to the huge social graphs but there is definately room for more.
Affiliates could develop SW client sites for mobile web browsers. What about a web app that allows people out on the high street to search your site for product information and prices, if they see a product cheaper then the user could click a button to get an email about that product or deal sent to them so that they can purchase later once they have got back to a computer. As people become more used to using their mobile for internet surfing they will become more open to purchasing through it. No one has jumped on this yet.
Affiliates could develop applications that sit on mobile handsets. Apple, Google, Nokia and more all offer developer SDKs that just aren't being used in this way. Developing native apps means that the app can hook in to the functionality of the handset, just think how powerful that could be.
I would love to see developers building plugins for platforms such as Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla. There have been some cool plugins developed with ShopWindow. Some developers are even charging other affiliates to use them.
There is so much room for innovation here. It's up to you guys to think outside of the box and come up with something brilliant. We will work with those that do to ensure that you have what you need, be that API quotas, dev advice, increased commissions or helping you to develop partnerships with merchants. Generating £65 in commission per month really should not be difficult.
It's time to innovate, not duplicate.
Confuscius
11-08-09, 23:31
It's time to cogitate. Then, I may agitate a little.
Most others will continue to flagellate an expired equine.
I've never been after appreciation, praise or a great big pat on the back for my efforts, nor have I ever been drawn here by the smell of money, what i've been a part of this for is to simply give my regular visitors a no bullshit, honest approach to shopping, without all the crap such as forced clickthru's, hidden agenda's, cloaked incentives, click gazumping, sale stealing and all the other money making, spam, scam and immoral schemes out there, all i've wanted was to be playing on a level playing field, yet it has never been that. So yes, when I find out that the best part of 3 years worth of effort is now for nothing, unless I suddenly start meeting enforced targets, whilst competing against companies that can afford to waste £17K... Well... What would SWs prefer? That people simply crawl under a rock and dissapear like good little obedient expendable affiliates? I think you know by now, that really isn't my way, bottled anger leads to strokes.
The performance criteria is there for a reason and that is to ensure the platform covers it's costs.
As mentioned before, the Enterprise solution, with it's price tag is for high traffic partners. The charges are there to cover the costs of DW providing a service.
I'm not failing to understand the need for a company to balance it's books, what I fail to understand, is why I and other hard working affiliates should be penalised for the lack of foresight on the part of ShopWindows, when it came to costing the project in the first place and failing to immediately take the necessary steps to rectify the situation, rather than wait nearly 3 years, after people like us on this forum had provided endless feedback, input, reports, advise and the likes, for that to then simply be taken and used to provide a £17K model designed specifically for super affiliates, leaving the rest of us in this situation, with those little extra's that have been added in for those with bigger wallets.
The difference in the enterprise solution and community is the level of development and service DW will provide and the additional verticals. Community solution users get access to exactly the same client software as Enterprise users do.
Those with bigger wallets do indeed get access to some extras.
It certainly wasn't me or any of the other affiliates who were sat their with our fingers on the validate button, everytime a new mass spam affiliate came along and downloaded the scripts. Again, it is not our fault that ShopWindows had a lack of foresight with the project and it is not fair that it is us that are now being penalised for it.
It is hard for us to know how an affiliate applying for the client would perform. Yes, we could have cut off those installations sooner as soon as we realised they weren't performing. We will be on that case soon, but I know not soon enough.
Yes you are seeing negative emotion, I am rather upset and angry at the prospect of essentially knowing that in 3 months time, when my sales figures don't meet the requirement, I will no longer have access. Why shouldn't I be angry at that, after all, i've been regularly told, that it is people who put in effort who would be ok. The reality is that effort means absolutely nothing at all, when it comes to the cold light of day, seeing as anything other than higher sales level than I think I can personally achieve every month, means ejection from the program.
You can continue to use V1 or V2. We haven't set a date for the switch off of these versions. We will switch them off as soon as it is not cost effective to run them anymore.
What, by turning the system into essentially a two teired network, where money breeds money and everyone else has to fight with every breath to meet targets or be booted??? I really don't know what the thought process has been... I certainly can't see any positives though, having to start from scratch on a new template system, having to meet requirements jsut to get live, then having to continually compete with £17K super affiliates for every sale in order to just stay in the program... I really can't see where my interests have any place in that.
It has always been the case that DW has been working closely with high traffic or brand partners. Really there is no change here to when V1 or V2 were current, except that we have now published a cost to the service.
Lets look at the options here. Stay with version 2, which has essentially been kicked to hell by thousands of spam affiliates and which super affiliates, voucher sites, cashback sites and the likes have drown the system, which pretty much means Google hates the scripts with a passion, so sales have basically fallen into the gutter... Or... Move up to version 3, have to start all over again from scratch, as said above, meet targets, compete with £17Kers, fight for simple inclusion in the program, be at constant risk of being booted if sales dare slip, for what... To essentially have the same stuff as version 1, but working slightly better due to affiliate feedback meaning they've been tweaked, with a few extra little bits and bobs that really aren't going to have a lot of baring on sales, as all the above will still be accepted, except due to their immoral methods means they are always going to have the advantage... What exactly are the positives you speak of and how exactly are they going to impact someone who doesn't stand a chance of even being part of the program due to sale limitations in the first place.
The biggest positive on the new platform is less competition. We are going to be strict on who gets continued use of the client. Surely that will make it easier for you to generate £65 in commission?
It's as bad as the competitions that merchants offer every month, year after year, where the affiliate with the most sales gets a bonus or prize or whatever... Great, give the massive corporate company that makes 1000x more sales than someone like me a Nintendo DS or extra £50 for getting most... WOOT, they gonna love that, on top of the 50K or whatever it is they made that month... Where the hell is the level playing field? Everything is constantly geared at the exact opposite end of the scale to what most of us normal affiliates could ever achieve, we try hard, we put in probably a damn sight more effort than the big players, yet it is constantly and always us that lose out. Again, it's not asking for praise or appreciation, just a plain and simple level playing field, where it's not just constantly about the £££s, where the fact that a 1 person enterprise can't and never will have any chance ever of competition with a company with 500 or more staff.
This is business. Business is about making money. You do put in a huge amount of effort but saying that big players don't work as hard as you is not correct. There is no doubt though that the one man entrepreneurs are the most motivated to succeed, just like yourself. You have the chance to compete but on a smaller scale which you can grow and nurture in to something bigger.
Oh and Chris... You've seen http://www.pricetapestry.com/ right? Which is currently priced at £200 or as a 4 monthly payment of £50 I'm really not seeing many drawbacks to it, other than being £16,800 cheaper.
SW Enterprise is not an off the shelf plug and play solution. It is a one where we provide significant resource and technology for high volume traffic partners and brands. You are not comparing apples for apples.
Funnily enough, loyalty to AWs and the merchants I deal with, stopped me going to use that program when I first discovered it. Now it looks like it's going to actually be ShopWindow that is actually forcing me to go and use it. Stupid thing is, if all this had been about just making money, i'd have made a damn sight more with that script, as it covers most of the affiliate networks, which is a damn sight more practical.
We are looking for a commitment from affiliates to develop on the platform and generate a minimum amount of revenue for themselves. This allows us to cover costs. We would earn about £240 in override over a year from the affiliates who generate the £65 per month in commissions. This is comparable with the cost of Price Tapestry. With SW Client, the cost of providing the service is not covered by affiliates but by the merchants who pay us override on the commissions you earn.
It's time to cogitate. Then, I may agitate a little.
Most others will continue to flagellate an expired equine.
That's an interesting way of saying, thought before speech..... :eek:
Chris - 12 months ago, i would have agreed, £65 was a reasonable amount to make. Probably why the net was mass swamped by thousands of affiliates, they all thought the same thing, they all wanted their bit of money for nothing. It's fine making plugins for drupal or joomla or such things if you actually use them or plan on using them or as said can make money from others by designing them, but for me, the best possible use is to actually integrate and use as part of my main website, which as a sole entity takes up most of my available time, I don't innovate much, but I do what I can as proficiently as I can and as said, until the mass spam affiliates and the likes, return on effort and resources was what I would have considered a reasonable match. I choose morals over high income, maybe a less lucrative approach than the cut throat business tycoons, but I have peace of mind in that approach. Since the birth of the voucher site, cashback sites and forced click type sites, it has rapidly become harder and harder to make money on this type of scheme, you go to the effort of getting the visitor, get them to see a product they want, they go look for a voucher to see if there is better than what you have, as all bargain hunters do, forced click to see code, bang, pop, sale lost... There is no competing against unfair competition like that. So essentially, it's not just business, trying to make money, hit targets, meet requirements, get sales, cover costs, etc, etc... For some of us, it is actually also about doing it in an ethical manner and I see no reason why there should be a penalty imposed just because sales may be lower because of morality.
Confuscius
12-08-09, 00:53
The release of SW3 does nothing that I can see to change the playing field for SEO based affiliates because it seems to be being treated as a NEW product and a NEW opportunity to just stick even more copies of the same largely not very good feeds supplied by merchants into the Google arena, albeit an approval process and effort required will put some people off.
SW was always suited to be a chargeable bolt on to existing sites with traffic and it is hardly surprising that DW has chosen this commercial direction.
I have some interesting innovations that need UNLIMITED access to a QUALITY dataset - would I get this from SW3? I doubt it given that the data is the same as in SW2 and SW1. So I am happy to work with the data supplied and am progressively moving away from use of the client software because of the whole lack of certainty for the long term. That is my commercial decision.
Would I get a QUALITY dataset by cherry picking the feeds across the networks and developing my own unique dataset? Would it be really UNLIMITED access? What are the relative costs and risks of the options open to me as a one man band, albeit a pretty successful SEO SW user and active contributor, albeit prone to the odd touch of sarcasm and whinging on a bad day.
Onwards and upwards, well at least SERPS wise! I doubt if any SEO affiliate will ever risk the sums involved to find out if SW3 can be SEOified, which is a bit of a shame.
I will continue to have a go with whatever is available as it is sometimes more about the challenge than the money.
Thanks for the reply chrisg
Its a nice site but still I don’t believe any product that’s limited to one affiliate network is worth that, however that’s just my opinion.
When I go shopping, my first stop is a price comparison site not a product pool then a voucher site and finally a cashbacker. :)
Feels a bit like the rugs been pulled from underneath the little man. Also maybe us little affiliates feel used a bit.
It is hard for us to know how an affiliate applying for the client would perform. Yes, we could have cut off those installations sooner as soon as we realised they weren't performing. We will be on that case soon, but I know not soon enough.
If it wasn’t for the mass popularity of the free out of the box of V1 / V2 AW wouldn’t have half the affiliates or the merchants it has today. A single sale is far more important to a merchant than it is to AW and V1/V2 was mass marketing for them at little cost.
So its Somewhat insulting to pretend AW didn’t want thousands of people using its system.
So where is the innovation? I only see a handful of affiliates making use of the API in an innovative way
That coz its soap, soap melts my brain..take a leaf from most major apis and build a rest api.
Originally Posted by GeorgeGaz
Amoochi, that is not the case at all. It has been said time and time again to you directly that your input to the ShopWindow platform has been appreciated and taken into consideration yet once again you have chosen to ignore that and get upset.
If I was personally attacked like that I would be very pee'd off and on the phone.
Oh well we wont change a thing, so my forum trolling is done ;)
Understand business is business and to move to the next level all user based businesses do the same
All the best with V3 :rolleyes:
Regards
Nole
Oh can you link some of these "major portals" please
It seems that I may be in the minority here - sorry all, but as I'm only interested in the Client, I have no problem.
Looking forward to getting V3 up and running. Outwardly it doesn't look much different, but I suppose that's kind of the point:
There is so much room for innovation here. It's up to you guys to think outside of the box and come up with something brilliant. We will work with those that do to ensure that you have what you need, be that API quotas, dev advice, increased commissions or helping you to develop partnerships with merchants. Generating £65 in commission per month really should not be difficult.
It's time to innovate, not duplicate.
As for the £65 threashold - hasn't this in effect been called for by most active SW users anyway? Seems like a good way to limit the redundant sites to me, and I welcome it. If I can't make £65 in a month then, well, I don't really deserve or need this tool! Especially as this should help the SERPS results.
Thumbs up from me so far!
:)
As for the £65 threashold - hasn't this in effect been called for by most active SW users anyway? Seems like a good way to limit the redundant sites to me, and I welcome it. If I can't make £65 in a month then, well, I don't really deserve or need this tool! Especially as this should help the SERPS results.
I'd say absolutely not, from all the posts i've read on here, most active SW members haven't called for such a thing at all. But seeing as your so sure they have, i'd love for you to share this source of accounts, so I too can read these many examples of people stating it would be a good idea. :confused:
Clearly you readily make the £65 a month target already... Good for you, you found your niche and it's working for you. I guess it pays to have a selfish business mentality, even if your niche site would actually suggest other than selfishness, maybe I should be looking into attaining such a train of thought for myself... But to essentially say I don't deserve, based on my income, ermmm, NO, you can keep that train of thought, it's clearly being ill represented...
Confuscius
12-08-09, 09:43
... Seems like a good way to limit the redundant sites to me ...
This needs some very quick clarification, in my view. As I understand it, the £65 threshold ONLY applies to SW3 users and not existing SW1 and SW2 installs, hence this will do very little to improve the lot of an SEOster as the thousands of repeat installs will still exist for some considerable time. Whatever way you innovate the look and feel of SW then you do not get away from the fact that UNTIL you find ways to manipulate the DATA that you are being given to use then you will earn very little from SW. Consequently, it is my view that if you are not already reaching the threshold using SW1 and/or SW2 then how you are going to do it using SW3 is what you need to ask yourself. 95%+ of my earnings come from SW1 and will probably continue to do so until DW pull the plug on that particular version.
One quick question, my SW3 account shows 500 calls UNTIL I am approved - this then increases as I understand it - to what number at the outset? I then make my £65 target within my calls limit and I now want to make £130 but I will need twice the calls to repeat the £65 model - do I get them? I then repeat the process until I am told that the maximum number of calls is what number?
One further point of clarification - is the DATA made available to ENTERPRISE users the same data that ANY user can or will be able to access, either via SW or via the feed generator or are ENTERPRISE users buying extra DATA?
Paul
That coz its soap, soap melts my brain..take a leaf from most major apis and build a rest api.
We would love to do a Rest API. We couldn't fit it in this time. It's on the list to do.
Oh can you link some of these "major portals" please
Here are a few:
http://www.meshopping.co.uk/
http://shopping.sky.com/
http://gadgetsgiftstoys.mailonline.co.uk/
One further point of clarification - is the DATA made available to ENTERPRISE users the same data that ANY user can or will be able to access, either via SW or via the feed generator or are ENTERPRISE users buying extra DATA?
Hi Confuscius,
Taking Mobiles as an example, this uses a completely new dataset and its own API. The data has been refined and perfected (with great communication between us and our merchants) to serve well within this particular vertical, which I am sure can be seen on the demo site :)
SW was always suited to be a chargeable bolt on to existing sites with traffic and it is hardly surprising that DW has chosen this commercial direction.
We are not charging for the Community Edition, a threshold is different to a charge. This is still a free product and all commissions made still go to you guys, we do not take a cut.
existing SW1 and SW2 installs, hence this will do very little to improve the lot of an SEOster as the thousands of repeat installs will still exist for some considerable time
Agreed, there will be thousands of installs littering Google. We have taken steps to limit some of these already, with success (shown by our server statistics) and we will continue to do so in the future.
We are fully aware of this as an issue and we are working towards a solution.
Thanks
I couldnt find any notable difference in v3 from v2 based on out of the box install, please advise if upgrading from v2 to v3 is easy in terms of adding just a few files and changing a few lines of code?
Encouraging affiliates to have multiple installs of v1, v2 and now v3 in itself is detrimental to seo. I am not sure where we're heading but let us see what happenes next.
The main purpose of affiliate networks is to generate sales for merchants and that is how they make money. Ofcourse all affiliates would love to make as much money as possible each month, however i think initially a lower minimum threshold should do us some favours.
Any possibility of guaranteeing atleast no old affiliates would be cut-off for failing to achieve initial thresholds.
Originally Posted by Bud If I can't make £65 in a month then, well, I don't really deserve or need this tool!
Im making around £600 a month but only £35 is from the DW tool. So if i cant double it i get switched off. Which im in no doubt will have knock on effect for my whole site and income. I believe most of my visitors find items on my DW tool and do the same as me, goto a price comp or a cashback site.
Originally Posted by chrisg We would love to do a Rest API. We couldn't fit it in this time. It's on the list to do
Sweet looking forward to that :) and thanks for the links. They didnt blow me away but i guess its more about the numbers.
Originally Posted by GeorgeGaz Taking Mobiles as an example, this uses a completely new dataset and its own API. The data has been refined and perfected (with great communication between us and our merchants) to serve well within this particular vertical, which I am sure can be seen on the demo site
Sadly :rolleyes: loving that demo site the more i play with it. Hmm wouldnt it be nice if you could split the £17k package up (cough) would be super intrested in just the moblie site.
Best get on with trying to double my income :(
Nole
This needs some very quick clarification, in my view. As I understand it, the £65 threshold ONLY applies to SW3 users and not existing SW1 and SW2 installs, hence this will do very little to improve the lot of an SEOster as the thousands of repeat installs will still exist for some considerable time. Whatever way you innovate the look and feel of SW then you do not get away from the fact that UNTIL you find ways to manipulate the DATA that you are being given to use then you will earn very little from SW. Consequently, it is my view that if you are not already reaching the threshold using SW1 and/or SW2 then how you are going to do it using SW3 is what you need to ask yourself. 95%+ of my earnings come from SW1 and will probably continue to do so until DW pull the plug on that particular version.
The £65 threshold is for V3 installs. But for those already generating business on the platform we will include V1 and V2 performance when deciding to switch off V3 installs. We will be switching off all installs of V1 and V2 of those affiliates who have not come out of test mode. We will also be switching off installs where no modification has occurred.
One quick question, my SW3 account shows 500 calls UNTIL I am approved - this then increases as I understand it - to what number at the outset? I then make my £65 target within my calls limit and I now want to make £130 but I will need twice the calls to repeat the £65 model - do I get them? I then repeat the process until I am told that the maximum number of calls is what number?
When we put you live you will get 250,000 API calls. Changes to the Client have meant that we have reduced the number of API calls it makes. On a case by case basis we will review the API limit but in your example we wouldn't look to double your quota.
One further point of clarification - is the DATA made available to ENTERPRISE users the same data that ANY user can or will be able to access, either via SW or via the feed generator or are ENTERPRISE users buying extra DATA?
The data available in the community client is identical to that in the enterprise client. Enterprise users get access to other verticals and do get additional data in these verticals. The mobiles vertical in particular use data from a 3rd party data supplier.
Confuscius
12-08-09, 12:34
Hi Chris
Thanks for all of the clarifications.
Personally, I think that it is important to understand that the Enterprise version is in fact SW3 PLUS additional verticals with a large limited number of calls (no such thing as unlimited!!!). Hence, my presumption that this is geared towards bolting things on to the side of existing sites with traffic (a sort of large affiliate fixed fee override system!).
As regards SW3 then basically each affiliate account gets 250,000 calls per day MAXIMUM from which they have to generate on average £65 per month to keep their 250,000 per day SW3 calls - should be more than enough to play with BUT not enough to earn any serious money. I doubt very much that anyone could generate enough income from 250,000 SW3 calls to be able to reinvest say 20-30% (normal for revenue share type systems) of those earnings in upgrading to the Enterprise version - not a particular challenge that I am keen to take on but I am still mainly cogitating, doing a little agitating and definitely not flagellating!
Amoochi
It would seem I see things differently to you but I'll try to answer your points, although I really don't wish, or see, the need to trawl the forum for specifics; I was quoting from my understanding of the issues that have been raised:
Point 1:
Ref: Minimum Requirement
...hasn't this in effect been called for by most active SW users anyway?
... most active SW members haven't called for such a thing at all. But seeing as your so sure they have, i'd love for you to share this source of accounts...
Just a few quick quotes I've found on the issue - There are plenty more:
Having also put considerable time and effort into a fully customised site to which I am now starting to add original content it pains me to see my site competing for rankings with several dozen basic installs of the shopwindow client, many without a single change to the original code.
Sure, this is partly a frustration with the search engines not seeing these mirror sites for what they really are but I'm also disappointed that AWin have released such a no-brainer option which has paved the way for the search engines to be inundated with dozens of duplicate sites.
This is hardly surprising given the uncontrolled way in which Shop Window has been released to so many people and the voracity of certain search engines to eat content. There are simple too many installations submitting requests to the current central installation, effectively rendering ALL sites just about useless.
Having spent some considerable time adding to the basic Shop Window then I, for one, am less than happy that this situation was completely predictable - the train has arrived and we are all standing in the track!
I have a number of ideas that may adress this issue but most involve upsetting some/many people and charging for the service, etc, etc.
...and
Oh and I wish I knew how the hell to get rid of the mass spammers and script abusers, at the end of the day, they are costing people like me sales and when you survive on relatively few sales, you notice a lot when they drop.
They should put it up to £50 in that case though, cause I can imagine the amount of time wasters must be pretty damn high, looking at how many people think they can simply stick ShopWindows up and make a fortune from it without any effort at all.
If I were talking personal choice, I would have also preferred a 'one off' payment (within reason) as I know the Client is worth it.
I think DW have made a good call though to let people use the script free of charge to see if they can make it work, but not ultimately at the cost of committed users. Isn't that even better and fairer to all?
Point 2:
Ref: Personal
... Good for you, you found your niche and it's working for you. I guess it pays to have a selfish business mentality... But to essentially say I don't deserve, based on my income, ermmm, NO, you can keep that train of thought, it's clearly being ill represented...
I don't think I have a selfish business mentality. Just a realist.
:cool:
Will someone please post a complete list of the available verticals?
Thanks!
Point 1: & Point 2:
I don't think we see things all that differently Bud, you clearly just have a lot more business experience than I do, as you take things far less personally than I do, I can't stop myself from getting personal and passionate and clearly it makes me perhaps too protective of what I do. I try not to be negative, but clearly come across as such at times (yeah George, I know :p ), but you put in the effort we do, it's hard not to feel threatened when the thought of having the plug pulled gets into the mind, maybe it's a weakness I have personally, but I like things being settled and secure, I like to know I can rely on things not to suddenly change, maybe that isn't the best approach to business, but i'm not aiming to earn millions, just cover my costs and earn a little extra on top, without having unnecessary pressure.
Anyway, none of what you've linked says to me, "lets put a minimum income requirement rule in place" on the system though. None of it really offers any kind of proper solution, it just states that there is a problem which needs addressing and we highlighted these issues a fair while back looking at it. I still think the one off token payment, to put off the time wasters and spammers, is by far the best solution regarding that side of things, which I would have said would have worked well together with something like a "make at least one commission from this version of SWs per month or set period", not the set minimum earnings or face removal, that has been declared. I would have thought, needing to declare each individual install seperately with a seperate unique install location code, to stop these spammers making hundreds of installs on the same domain would have helped a lot too, cause right now, there's nothing at all to stop an affiliate doing one genuine site, then adding thousands of others in the same old way as before.
I actually like the minimum requirements for going live addition, the idea that people have to actually put effort into their site, that they have to put thought into it, make it look good and be unique and the likes. If anything and going back to the twat that stole my entire template system a while back, I would have actually had an extra one in there that said, "must not look like or replicate the work of any other affiliate". My big gripe with the minimum requirement bit, is that for a few of us, this is now the 3rd time we will have gone through the same process of redoing templates, redoing custom work, redoing everything to make the client look nice and get us sales. I feel a little bit more trust should have been shown towards the long termers.
I wasn't actually intending insulting you with the selfish comment Bud, which it appears I may have done, if anything that was intended as a kind of compliment. Business is about being selfish, it's about making your own model a success, clearly with the offsetshop you've achieved that with an actual semi charitable better idea than i've managed to come up with so far, but the business side, wanting everyone else to fail so you get more sales, that is selfish, but obviously better business sense than me, who would prefer to see a few of us do ok, even if it means earning slightly less, but being happier about what I earn as a result. It doesn't mean i've not put in a whole heap of effort though and I certainly don't feel that it makes someone such as me less deserving of inclusion to the program, just because my business mind isn't quite as experienced as yours obviously.
geoffw8 - If your referring to the normal system, to be honest, the only real limit with the verticals, is how much you are prepared to manipulate the templates and how many idea's you can actually think of in ways of displaying the available content. Personally, i'd like to see a list of every single command phrase that is available and exacty which templates and pages each of the commands would actually work by default, as I know some commands work on some pages, but not others without some custom coding. If your referring to the enterprise system however, look at the main shopwindow shop site at the entertainment section and things like the dvd and music section, what else it offers, no idea, but for £17K i'd be expecting regular cups of coffee hand delivered to me.
Thanks!
We're not going to be using the price comparison'y thing, we're using the API.
Geoff
Wow £75 in any one month in the first three months and £65 in any one month there after! Don't think I even got near that target at around Christmas time. Have worked my ass off all year and not got near that kind of threshold. Could'nt you rethink a lower threshold or even a 4 Monthly Period??
Pretty Please:)
So where is the innovation? I only see a handful of affiliates making use of the API in an innovative way.
Here are a few ideas:
Could affiliates develop installations of the client for high traffic partner sites. Affiliates could compete against the DW sales team for business. If it adds value partners to the platform then we certainly would have no problem with it. It would be exciting to see what value adds an affiliate could bring, I'm sure that there would be quite a few.
Affiliates could develop on social network platforms such as Facebook or Twitter. There are some really innovative apps that tap in to the huge social graphs but there is definately room for more.
Affiliates could develop SW client sites for mobile web browsers. What about a web app that allows people out on the high street to search your site for product information and prices, if they see a product cheaper then the user could click a button to get an email about that product or deal sent to them so that they can purchase later once they have got back to a computer. As people become more used to using their mobile for internet surfing they will become more open to purchasing through it. No one has jumped on this yet.
Affiliates could develop applications that sit on mobile handsets. Apple, Google, Nokia and more all offer developer SDKs that just aren't being used in this way. Developing native apps means that the app can hook in to the functionality of the handset, just think how powerful that could be.
I would love to see developers building plugins for platforms such as Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla. There have been some cool plugins developed with ShopWindow. Some developers are even charging other affiliates to use them.
There is so much room for innovation here. It's up to you guys to think outside of the box and come up with something brilliant. We will work with those that do to ensure that you have what you need, be that API quotas, dev advice, increased commissions or helping you to develop partnerships with merchants. Generating £65 in commission per month really should not be difficult.
It's time to innovate, not duplicate.
How do you expect us to be inspired or able to innovate when (and I apologise for bringing this up again) the data in the system is junk.
I continually have ideas to improve my SW site but time and again (and we're talking since day 1 of version 1) after putting in the coding effort I am rewarded with utterly useless data.
Take my latest and probably least innovative experiment:
Top 10 DVDs
SONY BDPS350 BLU RAY DVD PLAYER
Marley And Me (2009)
Gran Torino
Nick Cave The Road To God Knows Where / Live At The Paradiso 2006 Australian DVD DVDSEEDS3
Convoy
Rachel Getting Married
American Teen (2008)
Stargate Atlantis: Season 5 - Vol.5
Farscape - Season 2 - 2. 1
Bruce Lee - Jeet Kune Do
As returned by ProductList : DVD + HotPicks + Popular
You have got to be kidding, right? Beside the fact that there is only one fairly recent release in this list the number 1 top selling red hot DVD is in fact a Bluray Player that should be in the Bluray Player category.
I would love to innovate and strive for the £65/month target but the time spent recoding my site for the 3rd time and time wasted trying to decipher the API help pages is simply not rewarded by useful data, let alone commission.
I understand your reasoning and your vision for the platform, but I don't understand what you expect us to do with such poor quality data.
Just look at ShopWindow.com:
The DVD section (http://entertainment.shopwindow.com/category.php?rb=4-235) looks great. But I suspect this is mostly hand edited.
Go to DVDs (http://entertainment.shopwindow.com/productlist.php?rb=4-235) and 8 out of the top 10 most popular DVDs are DVD players that are in the wrong category!
Sure, we can all use more hand crafted content, but if that's what it takes to get a page of recent, popular and best selling DVDs then what's the point in having SW at all?
Hey,
Just to reiterate what I put in another thread:
The quality of data is an issue being addressed as we speak and is an issue that has been going on for a long time.
The simple answer is that it is not easy to sort. We have over 800 merchants coming through the portal and policing every single one in an accurate way is a very challenging objective to meet.
It is not a case of being black and white, especially when it comes to the £0.00 pricing issue. I know that where you are standing from, it is that simple "get rid of all £0.00 items".
ShopWindow will only ever be as good as the data that we are receiving. This issue did come up in the steering committee and I am of the opinion that a disclaimer page has been included in v3 where you as an affiliate are advised to address this issue.
I know that that does not solve the underlying problem but we are working on it as part of Darwin.
We are in a constant battle improving the data, and I am sure that the veterans here can attest to it being better now than back at day one?
The merchant category mapping is a manual process and so is subject to human error. We have thought about doing this as an automated process but this could lead to further poorly mapped categories.
It does seem ridiculous that somebody has mapped DVD Players into the DVDs (discs) category, however, that person possibly had up to 1000 categories to map and this is where the human error comes in. The idea of mapping a merchant category to an SW category is simple and effective, but only when it is done correctly.
We already have an eBay-esque "recommended category" to map to when a merchant is mapping the categories but still some slip through the net.
During the Darwin beta presentation day, ideas were discussed to improve the quality of data network wide. We have a lot of ideas and movement on this planned and underway.
Cheers
I don't doubt that data quality is a high priority, that human error is inevitable and that progress is being made to improve the situation, but I do think that it's unfair to comment on the lack of innovation amongst SW users when our attempts at innovation are stifled by poor quality data.
The DVD example I give is simple but pertinent. My site will not be taken seriously by visitors if my Top 10 DVD page contains Bluray Players. Likewise the Bluray (disc) Entertainment category contains Bluray discs, Bluray writeable media, Bluray players and anything else with Bluray in the title.
I can't do anything with this and expect to be taken seriously without just refering to the category as "Bluray" which is exactly what happens by default and why everyone's sites are essentially the same regardless of customisation.
I'm a designer and would love to make elaborate skins for each section of my SW site, themed based on the contents. But when the contents are so random it just makes a mockery of the whole concept.
I realise you realise that the data needs improving, but this v3 situation is analogous to asking us to open, fit out and market a shop and threatening a forced closure if performance targets aren't met, whilst at the same time coming in everyday and randomly moving everything around and changing the prices.
It's difficult to be innovative and profitable under those circumstances, although you have to appreciate that many of us are really trying.
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soap_error Object ( [sCode] => ns1:Client.LIMIT_1 [sString] => Insufficient Quota [sDetails] => getProductList: )
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soap_error Object ( [sCode] => ns1:Client.LIMIT_1 [sString] => Insufficient Quota [sDetails] => getCategoryTree: )
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When is enough, enough? I think about here...
Any more obstacles that AWs want to put in the way of trying to get anywhere at all with this new client? How the fek are we supposed to carry out "customisation" to meet the initial requirements when this happens?
And yes, having been given no alternative, despite my new shop being nothing like ready, I have submitted for test mode... Yet another kick in the bollocks expected.
Hi Amoochi,
Well you lasted this long without a quota error so something must be going right :)
For quota errors please raise a ticket via the AW system and this will be answered accordingly.
Cheers
Coincidentally I hit my limit today too.
If the live quota is 250,000/day why is the initial quota only 500/day? Seems like a big difference. I want to get up and running with V3 asap but I have a very trial and error approach to development and used up all my quota by 4pm today and had to cut things short. I think I was a bit trigger happy with the F5 key :)
Oh, and does anyone know when the quota gets reset? Is it midnight?
Well you lasted this long without a quota error so something must be going right :)
The quota limit not working until this afternoon, so not displaying the errors, until someone clicked a button is something going right?
5pm a new 500 limit, 7mins past 5 limit all but used up again already...
That explains things. I wondered why my quota use for today was showing as -17000! I just thought it was using my V1 quota by mistake.
Oh, and does anyone know when the quota gets reset? Is it midnight?
And to answer my own question, which I have a knack of, it appears to be 5pm, which now I know, I think I already knew! It's been a long day...
What's going on with the quota???
Mine just got reset to 500 at 5pm, I did 1 page load to check it was working, wrote the post above and now it shows as -373 and I have no access again.
Even my programming isn't so bad I'm using 873 calls on 1 page.
What's going on with the quota???
Mine just got reset to 500 at 5pm, I did 1 page load to check it was working, wrote the post above and now it shows as -373 and I have no access again.
Even my programming isn't so bad I'm using 873 calls on 1 page.
Exactly what my latest in this series of moans is about.
Hi authcode,
If you get a ticket in quick then we can get this updated :)
We have to go through all of the correct channels etc. Keep a record of it with Tech Services otherwise I get told off.
Cheers
Oh also, the reason that the quota will drop by 870 in one burst is because all calls are aggregated over a five minute period then deducted in one lump.
Cheers
Oh also, the reason that the quota will drop by 870 in one burst is because all calls are aggregated over a five minute period then deducted in one lump.
Cheers
Yeah, but I'm working on a private sub-domain. I haven't optimised my code yet but I'm probably using 3 or 4 calls per pageload and I only did 1. There's no way I could've used 870 calls in 5 minutes or 5 hours. I'll see what happens tomorrow and submit a ticket if need be. Thanks.
I can't be certain but it looks suspiciously like my V1 calls are being deducted from my V3 quota. I'll check again in the morning and raise a ticket if it's not sorted and I can't find the problem.
What's going on with the quota???
Even my programming isn't so bad I'm using 873 calls on 1 page.
Sorry but lol...think mine maybe tho
After a long day of messin my site up, that just made me laugh, thanks authcode :)
nole